anyone fucked around with Max, pure data, tidal cycles, these kinds of things?

ive been meaning to mess with this sorta stuff (as-well as generative music) currently im trying to learn midinous though but SuperCollider ahs always caught my interest

I did a few things with Pure Data ages ago, but I can't remember how to use it. I should spend a little bit of time to get back to it, but I haven't been in a musical mood lately.

one thing I told myself a few months ago was that I'd sit down to learn Strudel or Tidal Cycles so I could do live-coded music, but I never did...
really should go do it, every time I see a video on it, it just looks fun and right up my alley