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Seeking GUI Enlightenment

12 Name: Anonymous 2024-07-04 15:40
>>11
a lisp os with chording mouse controls does sound really interesting.
I wonder if part of the reason for the aggressive move away from lispy systems to compiled systems was because it allowed corpos to more easily define their intellectual property and prevent unsanctioned modifications.
things would be murky if any lisper could start making modifications to their systems and there's no hiding anything from being cloned.
but i also see why they don't want to give that power to the avg user. a single assignment easily could cause changes that do unrestorable damage to the system. you could have different tiers of permissions to allow changes to user stuff, but not core system stuff, but there's always going to be missed things. also not really sure how networking security would look in a lispy system. it's easy enough to set up networking between systems, but that's only a closed network without malicious actors. the current internet is well over 80% of unprompted connections actively trying to fuck with you. definitely solvable but it's interesting to think about how the osi model might differ.

i need to put "look for lispy plan9 experiments" on my todo list.
13 Name: Anonymous 2024-07-06 07:24
I wonder if part of the reason for the aggressive move away from lispy systems to compiled systems was because it allowed corpos to more easily define their intellectual property and prevent unsanctioned modifications

Looking at the story behind Richard Stallman, the reason may be simpler. Lisp machines were just too expensive for anyone besides universities, while Unix machines weren't at that time. UNIX caught on primarily because it was a compromise. Richard Stallman created the GNU project not because he believed in UNIX, rather it had become popular and everyone was using it. Emacs vs Vi war was won by Emacs long time ago, because the processing power decreased to a point where running minimal programs written in C are no longer economically required. If you really want an actually good low-level and low processing power OS looking into Forth OSes {http://collapseos.org/}.

How >>11 mentioned, there is AutoLisp. You don't see AutoCAD people publishing the program's source code online, because you can compile Lisp. In conclusion, the reason why C and C++ reign is due to the fact UNIX took off, became the standard and spread the disease of C.

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